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Post by coolstorybro on Nov 22, 2023 20:09:51 GMT
you saw where i had a go you know odd and even are opposites you asked whether jews even exist i said no jews dont even exist
they odd exist why is that so difficult for you to understand jews dont even exist because they odd exist
I get it now, but since you had to explain the joke is it still funny? when was it funny?
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Post by coolstorybro on Nov 22, 2023 20:11:13 GMT
when one looks up the word "herp derp" in a dictionary they get a picture of druan
Ok, well then I guess believing in Jesus, Santa and other fictional ideas that have no objective basis in reality is not crazy or retarded at all. According to coolstorybro , snakeway666 , because if Jewish culture, religion and ethnicity were real, why is it so hard for you to produce any proof? i didnt claim jews or judaism exists so i dont have to prove anything
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Post by coolstorybro on Nov 22, 2023 20:12:01 GMT
Those people that are bombing Gaza don't even exists. Good to know Well, the people who are bombing Gaza do exist. They are real. But their identity as Jews/Israeli's is completely fictional and made up. It's only an idea that they chose to buy into. prove it
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Post by Druan on Nov 23, 2023 6:42:19 GMT
Well, the people who are bombing Gaza do exist. They are real. But their identity as Jews/Israeli's is completely fictional and made up. It's only an idea that they chose to buy into. prove it There are a few problems with your statement:
1. Asking me to prove that Jewish identity i.e. culture, religion and race doesn't exist, is like asking me to prove that God doesn't exist. One can't prove a negative. This is called the negative proof fallacy. When it is claimed or implied that, because a premise cannot be proven false, the premise must be true, or that, because a premise cannot be proven true, the premise must be false.
2. I didn't make the claim, so why does the burden of proof rest on me?
snakeway666 made the claim Druan is a Jew. When I asked them how they can be certain that Jews exists, he was unable to provide objective proof until now.
What proof will suffice?
Objective proof that culture is more than an idea, and therefore Jewish cultural identity exists.
Objective proof that religion is more than an idea, and therefore Jewish religious identity exists. Objective proof that race is more than a social construct, and therefore Jewish race exists.
Failure to meet any of these requirements will mean that snakeway666, claim is irrational, does not hold up to scrutiny and is merely a baseless opinion.
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Post by snakeway666 on Nov 23, 2023 12:26:14 GMT
I can't believe you made me write this but here we go. It doesn't matter if what Judaism states is false and a fantasy(it is). If there are people who believe and practice Judaism this people are called Jews and they exists. I think my IQ droped 7 points by talking to you
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Post by Druan on Nov 23, 2023 14:45:52 GMT
I can't believe you made me write this but here we go. It doesn't matter if what Judaism states is false and a fantasy(it is). If there are people who believe and practice Judaism this people are called Jews and they exists. I think my IQ droped 7 points by talking to you "It doesn't matter if what Judaism states is false and a fantasy(it is)."
Ok, so you just admitted that the Jewish identity (culture, religion, and race) is fictitious.
Instead of conceding because you don't have proof or a good argument, you have resorted to a reification fallacy.
"If there are people who believe and practice Judaism this people are called Jews and they exists."
This fallacy occurs when an abstract concept or idea is treated as if it were a concrete, tangible object or thing. In other words, it involves treating a label or name as if it confers existence in a concrete sense.
For example, saying "Justice exists because we have a concept called 'justice'" or "Love is real because we use the word 'love'" would be examples of the reification fallacy. The fallacy lies in confusing the abstract concept or label with a concrete, tangible existence.
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Post by snakeway666 on Nov 23, 2023 15:25:09 GMT
God damnt it you are so stupid. You said Jews don't exist, not judaism is fiction. You don't understand how this 2 things are different. This is like saying that just because Game of thrones is fiction the Fans of GOT don't exist
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Post by Druan on Nov 23, 2023 15:44:10 GMT
God damnt it you are so stupid. You said Jews don't exist, not judaism is fiction. You don't understand how this 2 things are different. This is like saying that just because Game of thrones is fiction the Fans of GOT don't exist This is a straw man argument. In even if Judaism was like Game of Thrones (Comparing the existence of Jews to the fictional nature of Game of Thrones is a false analogy.). The identity that fans create for themselves in not objectively real. It's only an idea that they bought into. Yes the fans exist, but they are just regular people who have bought into an idea. This hasn't made them a separate "Race" of people.
Being a fan of Judaism is not the same as being Jewish. Judaism is a religious and cultural identity, and being Jewish typically refers to being a member of the Jewish people, which can include both a religious and ethnic dimension.
Many Christians are fans of Judaism, but they are not Jews, or even accepted in the Jewish community. Being a fan of Judaism might imply an appreciation for the religion, its traditions, or its cultural aspects, but it doesn't necessarily indicate that one is a practicing Jew or a member of the Jewish community. On the other hand, being Jewish can encompass various levels of religious observance, cultural identity, and community affiliation.
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Post by snakeway666 on Nov 23, 2023 17:02:02 GMT
What is the difference betwen arguing Judaism is fiction and arguing Jews don't exist Dumb ass? just because something is fiction it doesn't mean people who take this fiction seriously don't exist. You must be on Drugs
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Post by snakeway666 on Nov 23, 2023 17:06:08 GMT
''Christians don't exist because christianity is fiction'' says Duh an
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Post by Druan on Nov 23, 2023 17:27:01 GMT
''Christians don't exist because christianity is fiction'' says Duh an Do you know what a straw man argument is?
A straw man argument is the logical fallacy of distorting an opposing position into an extreme version of itself and then arguing against that. That is what you are doing again here. Instead of creating straw men, why don't you present objective prove that culture, identity and race are more than constructs/ideas? If you can't do that, then why don't you concede?
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Post by Druan on Nov 23, 2023 17:31:31 GMT
What is the difference betwen arguing Judaism is fiction and arguing Jews don't exist Dumb ass? just because something is fiction it doesn't mean people who take this fiction seriously don't exist. You must be on Drugs First I was a Jew, now I am a Dumbass. People usually resort to Ad Hominem attacks when they don't have a sound argument to support their claim. But we are still waiting for you to produce objective proof to support your claim even now.
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