Post by factsorfeelings1234 on Jan 14, 2023 16:28:31 GMT
Surely creationists will agree that sin is evil. It is ungodly, and anything ungodly is evil. You were born in sin, you were born in evil, evilly, so you are evil.
Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,
and in sin my mother conceived me.
and in sin my mother conceived me.
Psalm 51:5
So your mum had to be sinful in order to have you come into existence? So the god of the bibles decided that the only way to procreate is to be sinful? So this god decided that something it is against is the only way that people can be born?
Among them we, too, all lived formerly in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.
Ephesians 2:3
Apparently, god created flesh and decided that we need flesh. Now we cannot have that flesh, because it is sinful, it is evil - and all that is sinful is evil and all that is evil is ungodly... yet god decided that we must exist with flesh, and at the same time said we were born in sin...
...therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned—
Romans 5:12
It seems that the god of the bibles doesn't know how to create things that don't break and fail easily. It doesn't know how to create things that last, like German Engineering, for example. Is the god of the bibles Russian?!
...for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Romans 3:23
Again, the same question. If god made us, then why would it make us be so low and nothing, and then blame us, calling us sinful and evil, for not being able to reach heights? If we are to have "Childlike faith" and "be like Children", then how can we achieve great heights? When some decided to reach great heights, i.e. building the Tower of Babel, god decided "Nope!" and cursed the people who built it and destroyed it.
Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Genesis 6:5
If god cannot handle that people choose things, then god should not have given us free will. It should have created mindless robots instead - just like what we'd be in heaven - because "in heaven, everyone is happy" when we forget about our loved ones burning in hell.
The Lord smelled the soothing aroma; and the Lord said to Himself, "I will never again curse the ground on account of man, for the intent of man's heart is evil from his youth; and I will never again destroy every living thing, as I have done.
Genesis 8:21
So we're ignorant because we are Children, and that means that we are evil; and then when we grow-up we are not allowed to reach heights and we are not allowed to be mature; instead, we must be like Children, having Childlike faith. So god creates us and tells us that we have to be better, then when we try to be better, we get punished for it and our LEGO tower and sandcastle gets destroyed by the bully, and at the same time we are told that we have to have faith that all of this makes sense?
The wicked are estranged from the womb;
these who speak lies go astray from birth.
these who speak lies go astray from birth.
Psalm 58:3
Lies about what? That "god is good" and that "666/Satan are evil" and that "we were born in sin"? Babies cannot possibly have faith; therefore, they are sinful. i.e. "born in sin".
...but he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin.
Romans 14:23
So no matter what we do, we are sick, evil, sinful, ungodly. We were born without our consent which was supposed to be a "gift of life", yet when we exercise this "life" we are "sinful and wicked" and we deserve death. Instead of having and doing and being this "gift" life that we have, we have to not have and do and be ourselves; we have to hurt our Minds and our Souls and also our Bodies during fasting for 40 days which also hurts our Minds and Souls... all so that we can be what god didn't make us to be?!
Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
1 John 3:4
There are Natural Laws. These Natural Laws include 666 being within our very being, our existence, without which we could not exist. The only lawlessness is this abrahamic filth. It is going directly against Nature and Natural Laws, saying 666 is evil, when it is in Biological Life directly and inextricably.
Who can make the clean out of the unclean?
No-one!
No-one!
Job 14:4
Job wasn't there -
- Job wasn't there when god allegedly created everything and decided that we must be sinful in order to have Children, and that being born means we are sinful, and that having flesh means we are sinful, and because we are sinful we are evil, and because we are evil we must be put to death...and that the only way that we can be "forgiven" for being born ignorant and stupid is by god having its own "born" son be slaughtered and tortured to death for us;
- Job was not there, apparently, when god decided that we are not "allowed" to stand on our own two feet and be mature Adults;
- Job, apparently, was not there when god decided that we have to be reliant on something else, like Children who rely not on themselves, and have something else "save" us because god decided to make us not be capable of helping ourselves, defending ourselves, standing on our own two feet, etc.
- Apparently, Job was not there when god decided that we have to be Children, and when we try to be mature Adults and reach heights we get knocked down and punished and our efforts reduced to rubble
apparently. Job is just whingeing about nothing because god did not inform him; god did not tell him things; god decided that Job has to be ignorant and just be a Child having faith that what god says is true and correct.
As the quoted scripture above says "the wicked are estranged from the womb" - evil ones are hostile from the womb? As soon as we are born (which is in sin) we are hostile? Babies cannot possibly be hostile - unless you're talking about sharks; but sharks are hostile before they're born; they are hostile in the womb - but we're not sharks; we're Humans; and which bibles verses mention sharks eating their twin in the womb, being hostile from birth? Humans are not hostile from the womb; we are ignorant and we have to learn - and god, in its infinite wis-dumb decided that that should be, and because that is who and what and how we are when were are born, god decided that we must be punished because of that. That means that god decided we should be born by way of a sinful act (it being a "gift of life" after all) and this "gift of life" means we are wicked and sinful. Not forgetting "the wages of sin are death"; so we were forced to be born, which happens in sin, and as soon as we are born we are hostile, and all are not good-enough for god, so god had to send its son to be tortured and slaughtered so that god can forgive us?
So... all that affliction and suffering that Jesus went through clearly is that Jesus is an archetype of what people have to go through; at different points in history e.g. in the Dark Ages where such things like torture racks and things were common, but these days it is mental incapacity and emotional manipulation instead? Looking to Jesus and "I have the mind of christ", trying to be Jesus, to copy it, that is who we are supposed to take as a role model? Obviously, it is saying that in literal ways or metaphorical ways or in indirect ways, what Jesus went through is what Humans must go through - Jesus was born in dirty conditions in a stable near an inn, which means symbolically that Jesus was born in sin. (Except that Jesus is tHe OnLy oNe wHo nEvEr siNnEd! - despite god saying "all have fallen short"!)
Clearly, it is god who is the evil one. As 666 is in our Biology, Naturally, then neither we nor 666 are evil. This god thing created something, and then told you that you have to try harder, then punishes you for not being like a Child, and when you try harder it destroys your efforts, and says "everyone is bad! No-one is good enough for me!", like a sore, lonely, loser bully. What did god go through at home or in school to cause it to be such a schizophrenic bully to everyone else? "Can a perfect god create an imperfect creation"? Obviously. This schizophrenic "god" and its illogic and circular-"reasoning" and nonsense and cognitive dissonance... might - just might - explain how and why christians suffer with the same afflictions, including OCDs, including Stockholm Syndrome, then claim "god is good" and then blame 666/Satan for things.
Having been a christian myself, I took all this in. Yes, I went through the motions of being afraid that I committed "the unforgivable sin" and all sorts of emotional, mental, and spiritual problems. Having "faith" might have made things seem like bliss for a little while, but it never actually helped heal or fixed anything. The difference between christians and myself is that christians are not allowed to do this, that and the other; I, on the other hand, have the freedom to choose what to do and what not to do. I am not evil; I choose. "god" is evil; it chooses.
