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Post by Druan on Nov 11, 2023 14:27:26 GMT
Fun is completely subjective. What is fun to one person, is not fun for another. It's an idea that exists in our minds only.
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Post by Druan on Nov 11, 2023 15:10:03 GMT
Subjective experiences are indeed internal and personal, and they don't necessarily have a direct one-to-one correspondence with external, objective reality. In philosophy, this is often discussed in terms of the distinction between subjective and objective reality.
Subjective experiences, including emotions like fun, are real in the sense that individuals genuinely feel them. They are real experiences, but they exist within the subjective realm of personal consciousness. They are not necessarily directly measurable or replicable in the same way that external, objective phenomena might be.
Objective reality, on the other hand, refers to the external world that exists independently of individual perceptions. Scientific measurements and observations aim to capture aspects of this objective reality.
In essence, while the concept of fun may not be an independently existing entity in the external, objective world, the subjective experiences associated with it are real and meaningful to the individuals who have them. The distinction between subjective and objective reality is a nuanced and complex topic in philosophy and epistemology.
The terms "fun" and "enjoyment" are often used interchangeably, but they can carry slightly different connotations.
"Fun" typically implies a more lighthearted, playful, or entertaining experience, while "enjoyment" can be a broader term encompassing positive feelings in response to various stimuli, including those that may not be explicitly "fun."
So, if we are specifically talking about the lighthearted and playful aspect of the experience, you might indeed say that what people are feeling is more accurately described as "enjoyment." It's a subtle semantic difference, and the interpretation of these terms can vary based on individual perspectives and usage.
Regardless of the terminology, the key point remains that individuals can have positive, subjective experiences in response to various activities, and the nature of those experiences can be influenced by personal preferences, cultural factors, and other contextual elements.
Enjoyment, like fun, is a subjective experience, but certain aspects of it can be measured or observed objectively. For example, physiological responses, such as increased heart rate, release of certain neurotransmitters, or changes in brain activity, can be indicators of enjoyment. Additionally, behavioral cues like smiling, laughter, or engagement in an activity can be objectively observed. While these objective measures can provide some insight into the physiological and behavioral aspects of enjoyment, they may not capture the entirety of the subjective experience. The richness of the subjective, internal aspects of enjoyment, including personal feelings, thoughts, and emotions, is challenging to measure objectively. In contrast, fun, as a concept, may be even more challenging to objectively measure because it is often intertwined with a variety of subjective factors, including personal preferences, cultural influences, and individual interpretations. So, while aspects of enjoyment can be objectively measured, the full depth of subjective experience remains challenging to capture completely through external measurements. This complexity underscores the intricate relationship between subjective experiences and the objective measures we use to understand and study them.
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Post by sunflower on Nov 11, 2023 15:49:19 GMT
βThere are those think it behooves us to remember how tiny we are, how pointless our lives in this vast uncaring universe... What nonsense! The only truth we can ever know is that of our own existence. The universe - in all its apparent glory - is but a dream we all happen to share.β - Stellaris, spiritualist ideology
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Post by Druan on Nov 11, 2023 16:14:22 GMT
βThere are those think it behooves us to remember how tiny we are, how pointless our lives in this vast uncaring universe... What nonsense! The only truth we can ever know is that of our own existence. The universe - in all its apparent glory - is but a dream we all happen to share.β - Stellaris, spiritualist ideology
While some find comfort or empowerment in such perspectives, others might feel a sense of nihilism or existential angst when contemplating the apparent vastness and indifference of the universe. Different people navigate these existential questions in their own ways, drawing on various belief systems, personal philosophies, or scientific understandings to find meaning and purpose in their lives.
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Post by sunflower on Nov 11, 2023 16:48:31 GMT
βThere are those think it behooves us to remember how tiny we are, how pointless our lives in this vast uncaring universe... What nonsense! The only truth we can ever know is that of our own existence. The universe - in all its apparent glory - is but a dream we all happen to share.β - Stellaris, spiritualist ideology
While some find comfort or empowerment in such perspectives, others might feel a sense of nihilism or existential angst when contemplating the apparent vastness and indifference of the universe. Different people navigate these existential questions in their own ways, drawing on various belief systems, personal philosophies, or scientific understandings to find meaning and purpose in their lives. Thanks ChatGPT
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Post by Druan on Nov 11, 2023 16:49:53 GMT
Lol! Wasn't ChatGPT, it was Grammarly.
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Post by sunflower on Nov 11, 2023 16:54:56 GMT
Lol! Wasn't ChatGPT, it was Grammarly. Something about your writing style stood out, hence my guess
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Post by Druan on Nov 11, 2023 16:58:41 GMT
Lol! Wasn't ChatGPT, it was Grammarly. Something about your writing style stood out, hence my guess Just trolling, it was ChatGPT... but at least we are having a conversation now instead of just copy and pasting quotes.
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Post by Druan on Nov 11, 2023 17:01:22 GMT
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Post by sunflower on Nov 11, 2023 17:05:49 GMT
Something about your writing style stood out, hence my guess Just trolling, it was ChatGPT... but at least we are having a conversation now instead of just copy and pasting quotes. I mentioned the quote because I agree with it and believe everything is subjective. However, I don't believe subjective experiences are only internal; they can be shared between people, or living beings in general, even from spirit to spirit.
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Post by Druan on Nov 11, 2023 17:08:37 GMT
Ok, so I am just coming to terms with this after only learning today that fun doesn't exist. So what does this mean? That we should do activities for other reasons instead of chasing fun? And can you clarify what you mean when you say spirit to spirit?
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Post by Druan on Nov 11, 2023 17:10:51 GMT
"I mentioned the quote because I agree with it and believe everything is subjective. " Well, Ideas and opinions can be subjective. But there are some things that are objectively true.
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Post by sunflower on Nov 11, 2023 17:20:49 GMT
Ok, so I am just coming to terms with this after only learning today that fun doesn't exist. So what does this mean? That we should do activities for other reasons instead of chasing fun? And can you clarify what you mean when you say spirit to spirit? Subjective matters exist in the experience of living beings. Without an experience, it'd be impossible for any living beings to meaningfully take in, process, or apply any beliefs to interact with the world around them. Therefore all knowledge is ultimately subjective, and the most powerful force in reality is the connections between people; it's by working together that people can shape the world around them - shape their very experience - in ways they could never do alone. Is fun not a way to connect with people? Having fun alone can be a form of escapism to distract from unpleasant aspects of life, or it can be an exploration of creativity. To have fun together is inherently meaningful: it's the meaning of life.
But there are some things that are objectively true. If that were actually the case, you'd be able to prove an objective fact to me without relying on any subjective evidence. Well, can you?
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Post by Druan on Nov 11, 2023 17:29:13 GMT
Yes, Oxygen is a gas. This is a fact that is objectively true and can be proved by 3 separately independent and individual chemical experiments without having to rely on subjective experiences.
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Post by sunflower on Nov 11, 2023 17:38:14 GMT
Yes, Oxygen is a gas. This is a fact that is objectively true and can be proved by 3 separately independent and individual chemical experiments without having to rely on subjective experiences. And who are performing those experiments? Chemists, looking at the results and seeing them, reflecting on that experience to reach a conclusion they can believe in... a belief which they then share with others through conversation?
Perhaps you think I'm beating around the bush. But here's the kicker: Liquid oxygen is often used as rocket fuel. You believed oxygen is a gas because you heard it in school, or from your parents, or perhaps others you conversed with. Others simply convinced you of their subjective belief that oxygen is a gas. My belief is that oxygen is an element or type of molecule, and comes in all four states of matter: solid, liquid, gas, plasma. I believe it because I was taught it in school, and I trust the people who taught me. What's objective about that?
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